Great stuff! Always good to see more discussion of Yockey online. Also good to hear the greater importance of Schopenhauer on the Right than Nietzsche.
Your opening quote is perhaps the key to what Yockey is talking about on race, -- which is really a kind of “ethnic soul” of a people, or even a kind of cloud storage device for accessing racial memory (h/t Rurik Skywalker) -- and reading it certainly “put the hook in me” as Capt. Willard says.
I recently had the welcome task of indexing the new Centennial Edition of Imperium, and subsequently wrote an essay discussing why the American Right doesn’t “get” his ideas on race, and suggesting parallels to other, current day streams of thought, such as Sheldrake’s morphic fields, and Nick Land’s egregores within AI. It’s uploaded here:
This sounds like something I would like to discuss more, sheldrake has some pretty solid ideas lately that I’d like to explore more. I don’t see how Lands ideas fit exactly. When time, I will read the link. Thanks for both. Counter currents doing gods work
Love this, really would love to see Thomas and Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson do a series deep diving into Hegel. I think it’s a critically important topic.
I would disagree that America has created a true High Culture yet. The spirit of a young nation was there, but we have been smothered thus far and haven’t created our own yet. Hopefully we get a chance to create our own. Loved the episode!
•300 AD to 600 ,transition period from Diocletian to Pope Gregory l
•600 AD to 1300, Pope Gregory to Pope Boniface VIIl
•1300 AD to 1500, transition from late Middle Ages to modern period.
What's my point? There many types of historians that look at history from different angles that can be classified into categories with distinctive characteristics.
Yes and Spenglers is very idiosyncratic. Yockey adopts it. There are many things Spengler says about this characterization of historical epochs that people would profoundly disagree on
It was an awesome talk! The only issue i didn't undertstand was refusing to perceive americans as a Western nation. Didn't Yockey himself talk about "real", European America, which would eventually become a part of Imperium?
We have much to get to. Have you read “the enemy of Europe?” I don’t remember America being part of the imperium but he may say that at the end of Imperium, I did not re read that section (the last 100 or so pages) for this episode. However after the revolution of 1933 I think he argues America can only retard and distort the European soul
"The hammering of the mass-mind into the American people was at
bottom merely a technique, an artifice. Strong individuality was submerged,
it is true, but strong individuality cannot be annihilated. The Age of Absolute Politics will wake once more what there is of Genius in the American stock, and a powerful reaction may be expected from the massveneer over the American soul in the form of individual leaders upon whom absolute power will be conferred. America is not a country with creative possibilities in the field of philosophy, and its higher understanding of the great realities of our time will come from its deep, determining connection with the mother-soil of the West.
The elements which will enter into the coming struggle between American nationalism and the Culture-pathological element will be numerous. It is probably no longer possible for the American Revolution to take a constitutional form. The perfected parliamentary-electoral techniques of late democratic conditions seem to exclude that possibility. There is left only civil war. In such a war, the race-war between the Negro and the white, the class-war of the unions against the managers, the financial-war of the money-dictators against the coming authoritarian nationalism, and the war for survival of the Culture-distorter against the American people, will all step forth for resolution.
Whether this crisis will be sharp and critical in nature, like the Secession-War, or in the form of an uncertain and long-drawn out evolution, like the Thirty-Years’ War, or the struggle between the Spirit of Cromwell and the Restoration, cannot be foreseen. In any case, the struggle is one which is demanded by organic necessity, and only its occurrence can be foretold, but neither the form thereof, nor the date thereof. These are Imponderables. When the American National Revolution takes political form, its inspiration will come from the same ultimate source as the European Revolution of 1933. Therefore what is written here is also for the true America, even though the effective America of the moment, and of the immediate future is a hostile America, an America of willing, mass-mind tools in the service of the Culture-distorting political and total enemy of the Western Civilization."
- Imperium
And another exerpt
"In any case: Europe must know, and realize deeply, that both of the occupying powers, America and Russia, are inwardly split horizontally. In both of them the ruling stratum is inwardly spiritually alien to the great mass of dominated peoples. This is a primary, elemental, fact. It is essential to a long-range view of world-possibilities, a view which puts aside both optimism and pessimism, cowardice and bravado, exultation and despair. These powers differ for Europe’s purposes in that the true America belongs to the Western Civilization, and the true Russia can never possibly belong thereto. But in the immediate, short-range view, extending over only the next quarter of a century, one of them is more dangerous than the other."
The origin of America contains its Future. As Leibnitz said, “The Present is loaded with the Past, and pregnant with the Future.” America originated as a colony of the Western Culture. The organic unity called a High Culture is tied to its landscape of birth. Here it is born, and here it solves its last and mightiest problems. In its present stage, the Western Civilization dominates the spiritual orientation of the whole world. Units like Japan and Russia exist merely as active revolts against the Western Civilization, as denials of its world-outlook. The Western Civilization has created even its own opponents; its dynamism has mobilized the outer forces into their present activity. The colonies which this Culture planted around the world during the period 1600–1800 have maintained their spiritual relationship with the mother-organism. The leading souls of Argentina, South Africa, Australia, America, Canada, and the other scattered smaller colonies, reside spiritually in Europe, and from the fructifying and wider working creations of the parent Western Civilization, they derive their world-outlook, their plans, ideas, and inner imperative. These colonies remain the spiritual allies of the Western Civilization. Their political interests cannot possibly be hostile to those of the West, for they will share with it a common fate."
So true spiritual America is European and true nature of American people is European one. It's not America which oppose the West, but Washington-Jewry regime.
Great stuff! Always good to see more discussion of Yockey online. Also good to hear the greater importance of Schopenhauer on the Right than Nietzsche.
Your opening quote is perhaps the key to what Yockey is talking about on race, -- which is really a kind of “ethnic soul” of a people, or even a kind of cloud storage device for accessing racial memory (h/t Rurik Skywalker) -- and reading it certainly “put the hook in me” as Capt. Willard says.
I recently had the welcome task of indexing the new Centennial Edition of Imperium, and subsequently wrote an essay discussing why the American Right doesn’t “get” his ideas on race, and suggesting parallels to other, current day streams of thought, such as Sheldrake’s morphic fields, and Nick Land’s egregores within AI. It’s uploaded here:
https://www.academia.edu/118624457/Yockey_vs_the_Dorks
Another essay takes a look at his unique terminology, which might help new readers:
https://counter-currents.com/2024/06/unlocking-yockeys-word-hoard/
Looking forward to more episodes!
This sounds like something I would like to discuss more, sheldrake has some pretty solid ideas lately that I’d like to explore more. I don’t see how Lands ideas fit exactly. When time, I will read the link. Thanks for both. Counter currents doing gods work
Love this, really would love to see Thomas and Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson do a series deep diving into Hegel. I think it’s a critically important topic.
I too want Thomas to discourse on Hegel much more
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I listened to the music till the end.
Great conversation. Looking forward to the subsequent parts.
Bridging topics in struggling to find time to read yet, thanks for the discussion guys.
I would disagree that America has created a true High Culture yet. The spirit of a young nation was there, but we have been smothered thus far and haven’t created our own yet. Hopefully we get a chance to create our own. Loved the episode!
We haven’t really, not one separate or distinct from Europe. At least not in the way Spengler understands it
I love the outro music. Do you have a playlist with your music?
I’m gonna make one. This is Frequency, Memories of the Future
Middle Ages:
•300 AD to 600 ,transition period from Diocletian to Pope Gregory l
•600 AD to 1300, Pope Gregory to Pope Boniface VIIl
•1300 AD to 1500, transition from late Middle Ages to modern period.
What's my point? There many types of historians that look at history from different angles that can be classified into categories with distinctive characteristics.
At the moment my brain is broke 🤕.
Yes and Spenglers is very idiosyncratic. Yockey adopts it. There are many things Spengler says about this characterization of historical epochs that people would profoundly disagree on
Clovis, king of the Franks, high culture.
Clovis wasn't interested sending Christian Missionaries in to the country side.
Yes there is a sort of high culture there but it is not what Spengler and Yockey are talking about
It was an awesome talk! The only issue i didn't undertstand was refusing to perceive americans as a Western nation. Didn't Yockey himself talk about "real", European America, which would eventually become a part of Imperium?
We have much to get to. Have you read “the enemy of Europe?” I don’t remember America being part of the imperium but he may say that at the end of Imperium, I did not re read that section (the last 100 or so pages) for this episode. However after the revolution of 1933 I think he argues America can only retard and distort the European soul
"The hammering of the mass-mind into the American people was at
bottom merely a technique, an artifice. Strong individuality was submerged,
it is true, but strong individuality cannot be annihilated. The Age of Absolute Politics will wake once more what there is of Genius in the American stock, and a powerful reaction may be expected from the massveneer over the American soul in the form of individual leaders upon whom absolute power will be conferred. America is not a country with creative possibilities in the field of philosophy, and its higher understanding of the great realities of our time will come from its deep, determining connection with the mother-soil of the West.
The elements which will enter into the coming struggle between American nationalism and the Culture-pathological element will be numerous. It is probably no longer possible for the American Revolution to take a constitutional form. The perfected parliamentary-electoral techniques of late democratic conditions seem to exclude that possibility. There is left only civil war. In such a war, the race-war between the Negro and the white, the class-war of the unions against the managers, the financial-war of the money-dictators against the coming authoritarian nationalism, and the war for survival of the Culture-distorter against the American people, will all step forth for resolution.
Whether this crisis will be sharp and critical in nature, like the Secession-War, or in the form of an uncertain and long-drawn out evolution, like the Thirty-Years’ War, or the struggle between the Spirit of Cromwell and the Restoration, cannot be foreseen. In any case, the struggle is one which is demanded by organic necessity, and only its occurrence can be foretold, but neither the form thereof, nor the date thereof. These are Imponderables. When the American National Revolution takes political form, its inspiration will come from the same ultimate source as the European Revolution of 1933. Therefore what is written here is also for the true America, even though the effective America of the moment, and of the immediate future is a hostile America, an America of willing, mass-mind tools in the service of the Culture-distorting political and total enemy of the Western Civilization."
- Imperium
And another exerpt
"In any case: Europe must know, and realize deeply, that both of the occupying powers, America and Russia, are inwardly split horizontally. In both of them the ruling stratum is inwardly spiritually alien to the great mass of dominated peoples. This is a primary, elemental, fact. It is essential to a long-range view of world-possibilities, a view which puts aside both optimism and pessimism, cowardice and bravado, exultation and despair. These powers differ for Europe’s purposes in that the true America belongs to the Western Civilization, and the true Russia can never possibly belong thereto. But in the immediate, short-range view, extending over only the next quarter of a century, one of them is more dangerous than the other."
The origin of America contains its Future. As Leibnitz said, “The Present is loaded with the Past, and pregnant with the Future.” America originated as a colony of the Western Culture. The organic unity called a High Culture is tied to its landscape of birth. Here it is born, and here it solves its last and mightiest problems. In its present stage, the Western Civilization dominates the spiritual orientation of the whole world. Units like Japan and Russia exist merely as active revolts against the Western Civilization, as denials of its world-outlook. The Western Civilization has created even its own opponents; its dynamism has mobilized the outer forces into their present activity. The colonies which this Culture planted around the world during the period 1600–1800 have maintained their spiritual relationship with the mother-organism. The leading souls of Argentina, South Africa, Australia, America, Canada, and the other scattered smaller colonies, reside spiritually in Europe, and from the fructifying and wider working creations of the parent Western Civilization, they derive their world-outlook, their plans, ideas, and inner imperative. These colonies remain the spiritual allies of the Western Civilization. Their political interests cannot possibly be hostile to those of the West, for they will share with it a common fate."
So true spiritual America is European and true nature of American people is European one. It's not America which oppose the West, but Washington-Jewry regime.
Awesome
For anyone interested this tied in nicely and is a good primer for Yockey IMO
https://archive.org/details/TheDestinyOfAmerica
Yeah one of my favorite and one of the most important essays, thanks for sending