I’ve been really enjoying this series until you got on this topic. I doubt online pagans are the reason you can’t get Christian boomers to be racist or red pill them on the JQ. And I don’t think non-Christians pointing out real and obvious problems with modern Christianity can simply be dismissed as Viking LARP or by telling them they’re the ones acting like jews. We can dream, but I don’t think the sort of pan-European Christendom you opened with is in the cards. I admire BAP’s effort to try a different approach but that didn’t seem to get traction either. I don’t have the answers here but pretending we still have the version of Christianity that existed during the Spanish golden age, instead of the “muh judeo-Christian values” version of Christianity that actually exists today, isn’t going to get us anywhere either.
The problems are real and deep and don’t seem to have a solution but pointing at each other yelling Jew just makes them worse. And we aren’t trying to red pill boomers, the people to reach are the zoomers. I’m extremely friendly to the pagan position, but it’s still a LARP, which is why I ultimately part ways. However there IS something to the pagan argument that I appreciate, I discuss it on a recent episode and have another one planned
Sometimes it’s hard to convey your point in short form text. What I meant to say, by bringing up boomers, is that they’ve watered down the religion so much with all the brow beating about tolerance, inclusivity, forgiveness, etc. that I’m not sure it has anything to offer young men who aren’t race communists. The modern church, as it actually exists with all of the pathetic pandering, seems like textbook case of liberalism going the speed limit. I can’t imagine it appeals to many of our guys, not unless they’re LARPing an older version of Christianity that also doesn’t really exist. But now we’re back to square one. I’ll keep an eye out for what you have coming up.
I am a heritage American from New England and my ancestral Christian heritage is non-existent. All of the Congregationalist churches are now fully gay. I have had to retreat to Eastern Orthodoxy which is still a real Christian Church, but even there I have seen liberal infiltration coming in from the leadership. At the same time I haven't seen anything in Orthodoxy that would form a basis for actually fighting our enemies other than references to spiritual warfare against Satan and the demons. I struggle with this obvious problem in Christianity and as much as I love Pete, Stormy and Thomas, saying that everyone is "not in the game" and calling people who are not there to argue names does nothing to square this circle for people like me. The crux is this. My enemies want me dead, my family, religion destroyed and any memory of us wiped out. Can we muster a fighting force to repel and destroy them under a Christian banner? I don't see it, and putting belief in pagan gods aside, the spirit of the pagan Romans for example has in it a clear support for excellence, beauty and an unashamed drive to crush enemies.
Yes I agree this is the plight of the Christian in America and I don’t see much of a fight against our enemies on religious grounds, which is why I said in the beginning we shouldn’t argue about religion. And if we end up on the side of Christianity there should be more than enough room for pagans, but that’s not how it’s playing out
The problem with you is, we can explain to you how YOU are in fact Jews. But NONE of you ever want to actually honest Roy sit and have the serious conversation about it.
THAT is the problem with you people. Everything you accuse Us of, is exactly what you yourselves Are.
You want to have a serious conversation, speak to me. 👌🏻
What do you see playing out? I have accepted that I have to live with this tension between trusting in Christ, while at the same time preparing for battle in Minecraft, regardless whether my Church or fellow Christians would support me (spoiler, they won't). Whichever faction can amass the power and momentum to crush the "left" are my guys.
Further pointless fracturing and infighting is what I see playing out. The only way forward politically is with Trump, take it or leave it. We can get right with god on our own
I had no fucking idea man! Hail! I love Dave dude he’s the fucking MAN and I read all his fantasy Conan style stories (I forgot the name) and have had him on The show. Hell yeah you can come on! Dm me !!
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've never met a self-proclaimed pagan in my entire life. The idea that there's a real Pagan vs Christian fight seems silly…
Standard Christian dogma NOW yeah. But not forever. If that was the case why did they go kill the saracens instead of preaching to them? What did Spain need to be liberated from when they could’ve just converted the Turks? Regardless of any of that, even if you do save someone’s soul they don’t suddenly act like a European. It doesn’t change anything about their race or biology.
I don’t know exactly what that guy meant by that but what it is is the late empire period, not the early church. “The church” is not a viable political actor its been captured
As in, from a contemporary Christian perspective, God’s plan for the Church may continue for another 1,000,000 years. This whole 2025 year period of our Lord can be seen as the “early Church” period. Many distinct nations will come to submit to God’s authority & tribal gods eradicated.
This transition is difficult, but people’s biological/tribal affiliations will need to be overcome. Baptism helps to overcome the tribal animosity & brings multi-racial harmony (as one can often see when attending an American church of any denomination [i.e. Filipinos, Latinos, Jews, Whites, Blacks all worshipping God under the same roof.])
This is quite REPULSIVE to a minority of our people, and they wish to separate from this project
Yeah that’s crazy, meaning after 2,000 we are still in the early phases? That’s about the level of historical analysis I expect yeah. Biological and tribal affiliations can’t be overcome by anyone but Northern European whites, which will be their undoing. Baptism clearly changes nothing. I’m not sure if the entire third world being baptized is a sign of anything good or progress for the church
We are in the same boat. I agree with you. Very similar perspective to the Stone Choir guys.
I also remains very open-minded to the Pagan worldview, considering my best friend and also my wife are gradually abandoning Christ. I do not believe it is a “LARP”. Our People are discovering a different ontology, cosmology, eschatology, etc. They sincerely believe their God(s) EXIST and are GOOD.
I agree with your stance. Standard Christian dogma fully disagrees with you, but I agree. If one believes in the power of Baptism, then anyone (ANYONE) can join the Body of Christ (The Church).
This does not sit well in the hearts/minds of the Aryan folk soul. This is likely another reason why paganism is becoming popular!
This was a pretty disappointing session of straw-man bashing. You should interview some serious Pagan thinkers. Mike at Imperium Press would be a good start. (Edit: Not disappointing on your part, Astral, I appreciate your honest questions.)
I already had one on the pagan roots of Europe, tho it wasn’t really about modern day paganism, and I have another coming up on the European new right, most of whom or many of whom were pagan
The war centrally is against Nominalism: the belief explicitly or implicitly that there are no universal truths, that anything and everything is a subjective taste preference. If you accept that and live that way you’re the enemy.
I’m aware they don’t bicker about it. It’s a basic and fundamental error that gets glossed over but if someones worldview is built upon that it causes the problems you all have been discussing.
I mean of course but there is no central authority to look to that is in possession of the truth and able to enforce it. This is our condition and it’s the source of all the fracturing. I don’t see a source of truth emerging any time soon except in a Caesar, it’s the only way
When Thomas was speaking about Logos this is what he is referring to and why Christianity answers this dilemma. The Christian God is The One and the Many, the Alpha and the Omega, Christ being the Pre-incarnate Word that become Incarnate. A man can’t be the arbiter of of Truth and Falsehood in objective terms. It’s a base logical fallacy, but he can upload it.
There needs to be a church dictating the authority of the truth or it breaks down. This is what Crime and Punishment is about and this is what Nietzsche’s entire project is. Dealing with this breakdown. It’s irrelevant to see it, it’s a nice little warm feeling you get in the presence of truth. Without a church, or a Caesar, or some other sovereign, its effects on society are negligible. Nil
Thomas777 i love you but a guy wearing bikergear, iron crosses, arafat-shawls, wiggerhats including pantyhose, bandanas and possibly black nailpolish telling girls with flowers in their hair and sunbathing bodybuilders that they are LARPING is bad optics.
I read it slowly over a 6 month period. And it just worked me over, man. I could never entirely explain it. But i think when i was done reading it, i was disgusted by the material world. And the left is so completely materialistic and devoid of metaphysics that i started to hate them. And yes, it says love your enemies. But you’re supposed to hate God’s enemies. And i believe they’re God’s enemies.
I read it because I had a dream where a voice told me to read Mark. I woke up with a text from my mom that had a passage from Mark. She’s devout but i had never opened a Bible. But i knew i couldn’t ignore that. I also read Philip K Dick’s Exegesis at the same time. So i was swimming in all this.
Sorry for the diatribe. But i guess when you read it, it feels like the uncut truth. And you begin to understand what’s important in life. And those on the left want to kill those things.
I’ve been really enjoying this series until you got on this topic. I doubt online pagans are the reason you can’t get Christian boomers to be racist or red pill them on the JQ. And I don’t think non-Christians pointing out real and obvious problems with modern Christianity can simply be dismissed as Viking LARP or by telling them they’re the ones acting like jews. We can dream, but I don’t think the sort of pan-European Christendom you opened with is in the cards. I admire BAP’s effort to try a different approach but that didn’t seem to get traction either. I don’t have the answers here but pretending we still have the version of Christianity that existed during the Spanish golden age, instead of the “muh judeo-Christian values” version of Christianity that actually exists today, isn’t going to get us anywhere either.
The problems are real and deep and don’t seem to have a solution but pointing at each other yelling Jew just makes them worse. And we aren’t trying to red pill boomers, the people to reach are the zoomers. I’m extremely friendly to the pagan position, but it’s still a LARP, which is why I ultimately part ways. However there IS something to the pagan argument that I appreciate, I discuss it on a recent episode and have another one planned
Sometimes it’s hard to convey your point in short form text. What I meant to say, by bringing up boomers, is that they’ve watered down the religion so much with all the brow beating about tolerance, inclusivity, forgiveness, etc. that I’m not sure it has anything to offer young men who aren’t race communists. The modern church, as it actually exists with all of the pathetic pandering, seems like textbook case of liberalism going the speed limit. I can’t imagine it appeals to many of our guys, not unless they’re LARPing an older version of Christianity that also doesn’t really exist. But now we’re back to square one. I’ll keep an eye out for what you have coming up.
I get what you mean and I agree. Simply look at Thomas’s iconography and daily kit to see the alternative image/ideology on offer with this crew
I am a heritage American from New England and my ancestral Christian heritage is non-existent. All of the Congregationalist churches are now fully gay. I have had to retreat to Eastern Orthodoxy which is still a real Christian Church, but even there I have seen liberal infiltration coming in from the leadership. At the same time I haven't seen anything in Orthodoxy that would form a basis for actually fighting our enemies other than references to spiritual warfare against Satan and the demons. I struggle with this obvious problem in Christianity and as much as I love Pete, Stormy and Thomas, saying that everyone is "not in the game" and calling people who are not there to argue names does nothing to square this circle for people like me. The crux is this. My enemies want me dead, my family, religion destroyed and any memory of us wiped out. Can we muster a fighting force to repel and destroy them under a Christian banner? I don't see it, and putting belief in pagan gods aside, the spirit of the pagan Romans for example has in it a clear support for excellence, beauty and an unashamed drive to crush enemies.
Yes I agree this is the plight of the Christian in America and I don’t see much of a fight against our enemies on religious grounds, which is why I said in the beginning we shouldn’t argue about religion. And if we end up on the side of Christianity there should be more than enough room for pagans, but that’s not how it’s playing out
The problem with you is, we can explain to you how YOU are in fact Jews. But NONE of you ever want to actually honest Roy sit and have the serious conversation about it.
THAT is the problem with you people. Everything you accuse Us of, is exactly what you yourselves Are.
You want to have a serious conversation, speak to me. 👌🏻
What do you see playing out? I have accepted that I have to live with this tension between trusting in Christ, while at the same time preparing for battle in Minecraft, regardless whether my Church or fellow Christians would support me (spoiler, they won't). Whichever faction can amass the power and momentum to crush the "left" are my guys.
Further pointless fracturing and infighting is what I see playing out. The only way forward politically is with Trump, take it or leave it. We can get right with god on our own
Do a part 2 but get Dave Martel and the Bog guys on.
It’s hard to schedule but I would. I’ve had Kulture dads on, I tried to get Dave back but he’s so busy. Send me a link
I'm Dave's Co-host on the Bog. Published heathen scholar.
I'm definitely down to discuss the topic with you and provide a much more muscular pagan perspective.
I had no fucking idea man! Hail! I love Dave dude he’s the fucking MAN and I read all his fantasy Conan style stories (I forgot the name) and have had him on The show. Hell yeah you can come on! Dm me !!
Abrupt ending. Seemed like there’s a lot more there on this topic/discussion
Yeah I should’ve faded out to music. We will be back in force next time
“I don’t know who your guy is buttt…” 😄👌🏻
😤
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've never met a self-proclaimed pagan in my entire life. The idea that there's a real Pagan vs Christian fight seems silly…
Yeah it’s silly as fuck. It only happens online and always descends into idiocy
The episode ends in the middle of Thomas speaking, and no outro music. Am I missing something?
No, I was rushing to get it out and botched the ending
Cool, thank you.
Astral, between min38-40, I agree with you!🙏
Standard Christian dogma NOW yeah. But not forever. If that was the case why did they go kill the saracens instead of preaching to them? What did Spain need to be liberated from when they could’ve just converted the Turks? Regardless of any of that, even if you do save someone’s soul they don’t suddenly act like a European. It doesn’t change anything about their race or biology.
I hear you loud and clear. I am torn on this subject & it doesn’t help that every Church I seem to attend is fully multi-racial in my locale.
As James White mentioned to Corey Mahler in their debate last month: “We may currently be living in the Early Church period right now!”
I don’t know exactly what that guy meant by that but what it is is the late empire period, not the early church. “The church” is not a viable political actor its been captured
As in, from a contemporary Christian perspective, God’s plan for the Church may continue for another 1,000,000 years. This whole 2025 year period of our Lord can be seen as the “early Church” period. Many distinct nations will come to submit to God’s authority & tribal gods eradicated.
This transition is difficult, but people’s biological/tribal affiliations will need to be overcome. Baptism helps to overcome the tribal animosity & brings multi-racial harmony (as one can often see when attending an American church of any denomination [i.e. Filipinos, Latinos, Jews, Whites, Blacks all worshipping God under the same roof.])
This is quite REPULSIVE to a minority of our people, and they wish to separate from this project
Yeah that’s crazy, meaning after 2,000 we are still in the early phases? That’s about the level of historical analysis I expect yeah. Biological and tribal affiliations can’t be overcome by anyone but Northern European whites, which will be their undoing. Baptism clearly changes nothing. I’m not sure if the entire third world being baptized is a sign of anything good or progress for the church
Anyway, I love your content! Keep up the good work man🙏👍 you are doing great work for our People
We are in the same boat. I agree with you. Very similar perspective to the Stone Choir guys.
I also remains very open-minded to the Pagan worldview, considering my best friend and also my wife are gradually abandoning Christ. I do not believe it is a “LARP”. Our People are discovering a different ontology, cosmology, eschatology, etc. They sincerely believe their God(s) EXIST and are GOOD.
👊😤🔥⚡️
I agree with your stance. Standard Christian dogma fully disagrees with you, but I agree. If one believes in the power of Baptism, then anyone (ANYONE) can join the Body of Christ (The Church).
This does not sit well in the hearts/minds of the Aryan folk soul. This is likely another reason why paganism is becoming popular!
This was a pretty disappointing session of straw-man bashing. You should interview some serious Pagan thinkers. Mike at Imperium Press would be a good start. (Edit: Not disappointing on your part, Astral, I appreciate your honest questions.)
I already had one on the pagan roots of Europe, tho it wasn’t really about modern day paganism, and I have another coming up on the European new right, most of whom or many of whom were pagan
Awesome, looking forward to it.
Thanks for the open discussion.
Thanks for listening
Why would you not have an actual real legit Pagan discuss
So dumb, circle jerk fest
What an abrupt ending. Either way, very enjoyable conversation
I know I forgot to add music, plus it sometimes devolves into banter and idk where to cut off
Who are the pagans being argued against here? A lot of these criticisms I dont think apply to mike or big dave martel
We named Adam green. Imperium guys rule, I don’t know their beliefs but whatever they are I endorse them.
The war centrally is against Nominalism: the belief explicitly or implicitly that there are no universal truths, that anything and everything is a subjective taste preference. If you accept that and live that way you’re the enemy.
I mean I guess but that’s not what people bicker about. Everyone thinks they themselves have the truth
I’m aware they don’t bicker about it. It’s a basic and fundamental error that gets glossed over but if someones worldview is built upon that it causes the problems you all have been discussing.
I mean of course but there is no central authority to look to that is in possession of the truth and able to enforce it. This is our condition and it’s the source of all the fracturing. I don’t see a source of truth emerging any time soon except in a Caesar, it’s the only way
When Thomas was speaking about Logos this is what he is referring to and why Christianity answers this dilemma. The Christian God is The One and the Many, the Alpha and the Omega, Christ being the Pre-incarnate Word that become Incarnate. A man can’t be the arbiter of of Truth and Falsehood in objective terms. It’s a base logical fallacy, but he can upload it.
There needs to be a church dictating the authority of the truth or it breaks down. This is what Crime and Punishment is about and this is what Nietzsche’s entire project is. Dealing with this breakdown. It’s irrelevant to see it, it’s a nice little warm feeling you get in the presence of truth. Without a church, or a Caesar, or some other sovereign, its effects on society are negligible. Nil
Yea I agree. There matters kind and matters of degree. I wasn’t arguing there shouldn’t be central authority or Church.
Thomas777 i love you but a guy wearing bikergear, iron crosses, arafat-shawls, wiggerhats including pantyhose, bandanas and possibly black nailpolish telling girls with flowers in their hair and sunbathing bodybuilders that they are LARPING is bad optics.
It was me who said that
All i know is that i became far more right wing after reading The New Testament and becoming Catholic.
Ok, why exactly? I’m interested in this. I can guess why but I’d like to know
I understood degeneracy and its effects on my life for the first time. And it really just grew out of that.
Oh ok…how did the New Testament make you feel that way?
I read it slowly over a 6 month period. And it just worked me over, man. I could never entirely explain it. But i think when i was done reading it, i was disgusted by the material world. And the left is so completely materialistic and devoid of metaphysics that i started to hate them. And yes, it says love your enemies. But you’re supposed to hate God’s enemies. And i believe they’re God’s enemies.
I read it because I had a dream where a voice told me to read Mark. I woke up with a text from my mom that had a passage from Mark. She’s devout but i had never opened a Bible. But i knew i couldn’t ignore that. I also read Philip K Dick’s Exegesis at the same time. So i was swimming in all this.
Sorry for the diatribe. But i guess when you read it, it feels like the uncut truth. And you begin to understand what’s important in life. And those on the left want to kill those things.
Philip K Dicks psychosis was true divine inspiration haha. And yeah that sounds like a message for you to read it. Glad it had that effect on you.
What makes the New Testament new? Please don't reply. I ain't got time for that.
Thanks. I guess we can argue if logos is easy or too complicated, white collar or blue collar.
There’ll be more on logos