Anything good in Christianity is European, Not the other way around. If you want to twist it in knots and blend it with European and American philosophies as well as thousands of years of European men trying to make it make sense through extravagant theology, I guess you can do that. Ask yourself this; what do they fear and hate more the cross or the swastika?
Yeah I agree, and this is well said. I cannot be denied however that these ancestors took up the cross and that is the tradition they leave us with. It is ruins now, but not because of anything inherent in the religion they created.
They did what had to be done and cloaked it in a cross. It is inherently a Semitic faith at its core that preaches unity and universalism, that’s the problem. Muscular conquering Christianity is dead, We’re in the age of debate me bro-internet dork Christianity.
I agree. The problem is that paganism is not a living tradition. I don’t see it as a way forward in and of itself but it can be integrated. It can also be used as a way to gatekeep. The problem is the right needs something to galvanize it and when pagans just keep calling Christians “Jews” and mocking Christ it’s like….its just gonna make people mad. It’s retarded
It’s down stream from a specific ethnic group and region of the world whether you want to believe that or not, it’s a fact. As far as everything else you said, that’s religious psychobable and very unserious.
Yeah for sure, we should have some basic respect for one another. I don’t necessarily call myself a pagan, but I much rather read my children the stories from Greek mythology or the Germanic tribes, or the celts than the founding myths of the ancient hebrews, which will ultimately teach them slave morality. Both sides go back and forth calling each other larpers, and there is some truth to that, larping as ancient Israelites, early frontier American Christian’s, or as their ancient “pagan” ancestors. We live in the age of larp unfortunately. I’m starting to think the mid century Germans laid the best framework, they raised an ancient symbol of our people and laid waste to their enemies. The spirit of Wotan, the vengeful son whatever you want to call it, its rising and in my eyes it will be the galvanizing force that we need.
A paradigm of deracinated building blocks. That's a good intro. 51:59 minutes of the discussion time remaining. Sip it don't gulp it. More than that doesn't work for me. Thanks
My issue with online pagans is, when debating Christianity or whatever, I have to defend a real religion that really exists vs. some person's theoretical ideas about religion, or his anthropological theories, or some idiosyncratic racial philosophy that seems suspiciously tailored to fix current political problems. And that's fine, ideas are interesting and can be fun to debate, but a fake religion that nobody believes in where you get to make up all the content is pretty easy to defend against something with real flaws that really exists. That said I definitely respect the impetus behind neo-paganism and understand why guys go down that route.
Regarding what ties us together- I think a longer memory would do us some good. If the path you followed led you to rainbow flags flying outside the church on Main Street, “Jesus was a refugee” commercials during the Super Bowl and a communist in the Vatican, what use was the path? I don’t need to sacrifice goats in the woods any more than I need to witness a stigmata to be satisfied with being a good steward of the blood of my fathers. But, to each their own.
These idiots have apparently only met one certain segment of the pagan sphere. This attitude of yours that every pagan is just “pretending” is asinine. Committed and serious pagans aren't running around with racists and politicians. Sounds like all you three did was base your opinions on what you see on TV and online. Pathetic.
I’m the odd man out here, and take a different position that isn’t really ok one side or the other, but (not to speak for them) I think they’re mainly going after the contingent of pagans on the right who attack Christian’s on the right as “Jews” and claim they’ve fallen for a Jewish trick. Those people are extremely counter productive, but many of their Christian counterparts are no better
No, they weren't just singling out one tiny segment of pagans. They were broad brushing THE ENTIRE lot of us as nothing but idiot pretenders. That 80s reject, Thomas, who prides himself on his "research" should know better than that. Most pagans are honest about not having a lot of historical data to go on when it comes to rebuilding our spiritual practice (thanks to the church btw). However, there's more than enough research done by some people that we can get by and have a good, experiential based spiritual practice based on what our ancestors did.
'80s reject'. That's hilarious. He reminds me of Judd Nelson after The Breakfast Club, but before 'The Dark Backward'. He wears leopard print leotards and takes Methadone to get off of his heroin addiction, likely court ordered. I would think twice about being an ally of his, his 'we choose you, you don't choose us', notwithstanding. Although, his book recommendations are better than most. I have added some '1 in 100; book picks from his suggestions.
I'm very new to the whole religion debate, (was comfortably agnostic and really had no interest in it until recently) so probably this discussion isn't intended for me. But I'm losing patience trying to follow it. If seeking religion through the lens of political expedience is not an appropriate basis, then what is left but ontology? Shouldn't this entire discussion center around what belief system is true?
To Steelman the skepticism of Trump v. Netanyahu, the issue with that is the same issue with Ukraine v. Russia, which Dugin (as referenced) is correct on. Either Trump hates Netanyahu but is powerless to break away from Zionism, or he still likes Israel. The issue is that, materially, the results are the same. Military support for Israel. It's the same thing with Ukraine. How much smoke was there in the media for it just to not materialize into anything? US Intel and ISR continue regardless of Trump's emotions (and he proved he could turn those off in February). Be it his own ideology, "deep state" interference, or just the insurmountable nature of some of these problems, the actions from Washington remain the same.
For my part it was naive to think these things could be ended so quickly. But it’s also naive to think that because they can’t be ended quickly, they will go on forever. I I don’t think it was Kayfabe though, I think he really wanted to end them and the Zionists involved are too bloodthirsty. Still, this is the democrats and Trump didn’t start these wars. I’m ultimately optimistic
Anything good in Christianity is European, Not the other way around. If you want to twist it in knots and blend it with European and American philosophies as well as thousands of years of European men trying to make it make sense through extravagant theology, I guess you can do that. Ask yourself this; what do they fear and hate more the cross or the swastika?
Yeah I agree, and this is well said. I cannot be denied however that these ancestors took up the cross and that is the tradition they leave us with. It is ruins now, but not because of anything inherent in the religion they created.
They did what had to be done and cloaked it in a cross. It is inherently a Semitic faith at its core that preaches unity and universalism, that’s the problem. Muscular conquering Christianity is dead, We’re in the age of debate me bro-internet dork Christianity.
I agree. The problem is that paganism is not a living tradition. I don’t see it as a way forward in and of itself but it can be integrated. It can also be used as a way to gatekeep. The problem is the right needs something to galvanize it and when pagans just keep calling Christians “Jews” and mocking Christ it’s like….its just gonna make people mad. It’s retarded
Christianity isn't some culture downstream from race. Everything is downstream from Christ, and all will be held to account by Him.
Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not, repent and turn to Him or die in your sins as His enemy.
It’s down stream from a specific ethnic group and region of the world whether you want to believe that or not, it’s a fact. As far as everything else you said, that’s religious psychobable and very unserious.
I assume he didn’t listen and will not address it
Me or Jim? If I’m being honest I only skimmed the episode. Lol
Yeah for sure, we should have some basic respect for one another. I don’t necessarily call myself a pagan, but I much rather read my children the stories from Greek mythology or the Germanic tribes, or the celts than the founding myths of the ancient hebrews, which will ultimately teach them slave morality. Both sides go back and forth calling each other larpers, and there is some truth to that, larping as ancient Israelites, early frontier American Christian’s, or as their ancient “pagan” ancestors. We live in the age of larp unfortunately. I’m starting to think the mid century Germans laid the best framework, they raised an ancient symbol of our people and laid waste to their enemies. The spirit of Wotan, the vengeful son whatever you want to call it, its rising and in my eyes it will be the galvanizing force that we need.
Sauce ok the closing tune Astral? T’was a banger!
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=kgIRClKD4RI&si=Jk9f6Mttepmbuf-S
Cheers! Great episode lads
I’ve never heard that one - probably doesn’t play that at shows too often.
A paradigm of deracinated building blocks. That's a good intro. 51:59 minutes of the discussion time remaining. Sip it don't gulp it. More than that doesn't work for me. Thanks
Great soundtrack!
Hell yeah man it’s white boy summer
My issue with online pagans is, when debating Christianity or whatever, I have to defend a real religion that really exists vs. some person's theoretical ideas about religion, or his anthropological theories, or some idiosyncratic racial philosophy that seems suspiciously tailored to fix current political problems. And that's fine, ideas are interesting and can be fun to debate, but a fake religion that nobody believes in where you get to make up all the content is pretty easy to defend against something with real flaws that really exists. That said I definitely respect the impetus behind neo-paganism and understand why guys go down that route.
Regarding what ties us together- I think a longer memory would do us some good. If the path you followed led you to rainbow flags flying outside the church on Main Street, “Jesus was a refugee” commercials during the Super Bowl and a communist in the Vatican, what use was the path? I don’t need to sacrifice goats in the woods any more than I need to witness a stigmata to be satisfied with being a good steward of the blood of my fathers. But, to each their own.
Much needed convo. Thanks guys. 💪
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Fuck yeah
These idiots have apparently only met one certain segment of the pagan sphere. This attitude of yours that every pagan is just “pretending” is asinine. Committed and serious pagans aren't running around with racists and politicians. Sounds like all you three did was base your opinions on what you see on TV and online. Pathetic.
I’m the odd man out here, and take a different position that isn’t really ok one side or the other, but (not to speak for them) I think they’re mainly going after the contingent of pagans on the right who attack Christian’s on the right as “Jews” and claim they’ve fallen for a Jewish trick. Those people are extremely counter productive, but many of their Christian counterparts are no better
No, they weren't just singling out one tiny segment of pagans. They were broad brushing THE ENTIRE lot of us as nothing but idiot pretenders. That 80s reject, Thomas, who prides himself on his "research" should know better than that. Most pagans are honest about not having a lot of historical data to go on when it comes to rebuilding our spiritual practice (thanks to the church btw). However, there's more than enough research done by some people that we can get by and have a good, experiential based spiritual practice based on what our ancestors did.
'80s reject'. That's hilarious. He reminds me of Judd Nelson after The Breakfast Club, but before 'The Dark Backward'. He wears leopard print leotards and takes Methadone to get off of his heroin addiction, likely court ordered. I would think twice about being an ally of his, his 'we choose you, you don't choose us', notwithstanding. Although, his book recommendations are better than most. I have added some '1 in 100; book picks from his suggestions.
That’s right!
This is pathetic
What part
Porquoi?
I'm very new to the whole religion debate, (was comfortably agnostic and really had no interest in it until recently) so probably this discussion isn't intended for me. But I'm losing patience trying to follow it. If seeking religion through the lens of political expedience is not an appropriate basis, then what is left but ontology? Shouldn't this entire discussion center around what belief system is true?
To Steelman the skepticism of Trump v. Netanyahu, the issue with that is the same issue with Ukraine v. Russia, which Dugin (as referenced) is correct on. Either Trump hates Netanyahu but is powerless to break away from Zionism, or he still likes Israel. The issue is that, materially, the results are the same. Military support for Israel. It's the same thing with Ukraine. How much smoke was there in the media for it just to not materialize into anything? US Intel and ISR continue regardless of Trump's emotions (and he proved he could turn those off in February). Be it his own ideology, "deep state" interference, or just the insurmountable nature of some of these problems, the actions from Washington remain the same.
For my part it was naive to think these things could be ended so quickly. But it’s also naive to think that because they can’t be ended quickly, they will go on forever. I I don’t think it was Kayfabe though, I think he really wanted to end them and the Zionists involved are too bloodthirsty. Still, this is the democrats and Trump didn’t start these wars. I’m ultimately optimistic
Curriculum vitae: Man of Leisure
(You'll never get a job with that.)
Liked for the interesting point
🔮Somewhere in time 1999.
🔮Is it all about the peak of one form of media distribution to new ones and subsequent declines?
How to fix heritage proper entered my mind.